Posts by Will Power

Would you be disfellowshipped as an apostate from the WT TODAY, if you believed and taught the Society's doctrines of 1920? (after the inspection)
YES______ NO______

Would a JW of 1920 have been disfellowshipped if he then believed and taught present-day WT doctrines?
YES______ NO______

Would a JW living in 1913 have been disfellowshipped from the WT if he believed and taught that 1914 was NOT going to be the 'battle of the great day of God Almighty" or Armagedon as the Society was then saying (StinScrip, VolII, The Time Is At Hand, 1908 ed. pg 101, 171 & 245)?
YES______ NO______

Is it right to be disfellowshipped and treated as an apostate for believing and teaching the TRUTH?
YES______ NO______

Since the WT's doctrines and practices are continually changing, would you say that thousands of JWs in the past were NOT "in the truth" according to present-day WT teachings, as they confessed?
YES______ NO______

Have thousands of JWs died believing and teaching WT "errors", according to present-day WT teachings?
YES______ NO______

Did you know that CT Russell taught the resurrected Jesus is "Almighty" based on his conclusion of Matt 28:18 (The Finished Mystery pg 15)?
YES______ NO______

According to Matt 28:18, is it the Father or the Son who as "ALL authority" in HEAVEN and on earth?
FATHER______ SON______

As a JW are you allowed to worship the one with "ALL authority" in HEAVEN and on earth?
YES______ NO______

What is more important? Loyalty the the Truth or loyalty to the TruthTM?
Can you distinguish between the Two?
YES______ NO______

Looking forward to some honest answers.

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Watchtower-The end will come 1975

by CanadianExJw in

i need some information, is there a watchtower cover or pamphlet, in 1975 that preaches that the world will end in 1975?

if so, can i find it on the internet.

we were visited by the jw's today, and they were preaching their armaggedon doctorine, and i told them i will get them an awake magazine that told of the end of 1975, or something simular.. they will return, and i hope to have something.

Will Power

Hi There
This is one of the pages (starts 1969) that has quotes from 1800's to present (was back in 99)

http://www.intrex.net/tallyman/List7_11.html

From there you'll need the bound volumes. NO ONE believes anything found on the net. (even when it matches exact!)

You ask the questions, No preaching, Go Slow, Good Luck
Check the recent False Prophet threads for circular arguments you might come across.

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Is Watchtower Literature inspired?

by YoYoMama in

jw
friends

the question.

is all watchtower articles, books, etc.

inspired by god as the bible was?

Will Power

Just in case some think the R&F weren't encouraged make certain decisions ....
BEFORE 1975 (the end of 6,000 years of human history)

KMIN May 1974 pg 3
"HOW ARE YOU USING YOUR LIFE?
...Yes, the end of this system is so very near! Is that not reason to increase our activity?.........In fact, over 27 percent of the material in the Gospels is devoted to just the last week of Jesus' earthly ministry!...By carefully and prayerfully examining our own circumstances, we also may find that we can spend more time and energy in preaching during this final period.........A 34-percent increase! Does that not warm our hearts? Reports are heard of brothers selling their homes and property and planning to finish out the rest of their days in this old system in the pioneer service. Certainly this is a fine way to spend the short time remaining before the wicked world's end..

AFTER 1975 WT Jul 15 1976
"It may be that some who have been serving God have planned their lives according to a mistaken view of just what was to happen on a certain date or in a certain year....If anyone has been disappointed through not following this line of thought, he should now concentrate on adjusting his viewpoint, seeing that it was not the word of God that failed or deceived him and brought disappointment, but that his own understanding was based on wrong premises.

Yet 2 months before in WT May 15/76 pg 298
"It is a serious matter to represent God and Christ in one way, then find that our understanding of the major teachings and fundamental doctrines of the Scriptures was in error, and then after that, to go back to the very doctrines that, by years of study, we had thoroughly determined to be in error. Christians cannot be vacillating - Wishy washy - about such fundamental teachings. What confidence can one put in the sincerity or judgement of such persons?"
(thats not tacking is it?)

BUT 3 MONTHS BEFORE THIS THEY SAY WT feb15/76pg214
"Would not a failure to respond to direction from God through his organization really indicate a rejection of divine rulership?"

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You Know it's God's Channel

by Lionel_P_Hartley in

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you know is trying to defend the wts against the charge of being false prophets.

he is relying on something of a technicality.

let's look at the facts:.

Will Power

LPH
dizzy yet?
I know I am

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Is Watchtower Literature inspired?

by YoYoMama in

jw
friends

the question.

is all watchtower articles, books, etc.

inspired by god as the bible was?

Will Power

Does this presidential official just come out with a new slant totally denying what he had said previously? or does he apologize, retract, set the record straight, take the blame, etc.

Whatever he does, I'm sure WT would take the opposite approach, since this pres.official is representing satans org.

In all pubs. only once has the WT donned the sack cloth!

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When Revelation Turns Obsolete

by metatron in

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one of the reasons i thought armageddon was close at hand was.

the impending obsolescence of the bible as a source of revelation.. the bible was written within the context of a large number of.

conditions that eventually would be changed by technology, i reasoned,.

Will Power

You Know on the other thread has just revealed another bible command that has become obsolete.

You don't have to go through the "Society" to have a relationship with Jehovah. You can go directly to him, especially if you don't agree with something "they" have said.

What next?
Jesus is our mediator? (legal representative)

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STUPID-ASS WT QUOTES thread

by TR in

"jehovahs organization.... should influence our every decision.".

"....idolatrous worshipers of a man made organization..." wt 12/1/1971 p.723.

more dumb-ass quotes to come!.

Will Power

Thanks running man

"We should eat and digest and assimilate what is set before us, without shying away from parts of the food because it may not suit the fancy of our mental taste...
WTfeb1/52pg79

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You Know a Spiritual Coward

by AlanF in

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here is another unequivocal example of a claim of direct inspiration: in the olin moyle court case of 1943, fred franz said under oath that no man is the editor of the watchtower.

who, then, is the editor?

who became the editor?

Will Power

"Jehovah has established a very definite channel of communication through which he deals with his people..It is vital that we appreciate this fact and respond to the directions of the 'slave' as we would to the voice of God, because it is His provision."
june15/57pg370

"But if each of us were left to himself just because he has a copy of the Bible and were to direct his movements independently as he though he understood the Word, what? It is likely, or possible, that there would be a great deal of confusion or working in competition among us. Hence, besides individually possessing God's Word, we need a theocratic organization, Yes, besides having God's spirit of illumination, a Christian needs Jehovah's theocratic organization in order to understand the Bible

"But God has not arranged for that Word to speak independently or to shine forth life-giving truths by itself. His Word says: 'Light is sown for the righteous.' It is through his organization that God provides this light that the proverb says is the teaching or law of the mother. If we are to walk in the light of truth we must recognize not only Jehovah God as our Father but his organization as our mother..The finest spiritual food is supplied through Jehovah's organization." may1/57pg274

If you are a Catholic, can you understand how a practice that was considered by the Church a 'mortal sin' can suddenly be approved? If it was a sin five years ago, why is it not today?".. The change in teaching has shaken their confidence in the church. Would you not feel the same way if what you had always been taught to be vital for salvation was suddenly considered unnecessary? Would you not be inclined to question other teachings of your church also?"
awakeapr22/70pg8

Theocratic ones will appreciate the Lord's visible organization and not be so foolish as to pit against Jehovah's channel their own human reasoning and sentiment and personal feelings. After being nourished to our present spiritual strength and maturity, do we suddenly become smarter than our former provider and forsake the enlightening guidance of the organization that mothers us?WTFeb1/52pg79-80

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STUPID-ASS WT QUOTES thread

by TR in

"jehovahs organization.... should influence our every decision.".

"....idolatrous worshipers of a man made organization..." wt 12/1/1971 p.723.

more dumb-ass quotes to come!.

Will Power

WT Oct 15/58 pg 640
YOUR WILL BE DONE ON EARTH
"If you value your life and that of your family you will obtain this striking and stimulating book and read it with your Bible. It contains absolute assurance that God's will be done on earth in our generation. Send 50c today."